Building Endurance On The Paleo Diet Episode # 29

hey this is gary collins and keith squire and i am the owner of the primal power method he is the owner of julian bakery we want to make that clear again just in case people are confused since they send us nasty hate mail to the wrong people all the time I'm just kidding but we want to talk about some topic that there's a lot of confusion in and it has i've noticed it over the last couple years and that is endurance training and paleo and primal lifestyle there's been a lot of articles written about how severe endurance can cause ventricle damage of the right ventricle and in that it can cause heart problems and heart attacks down the line and all the studies have not been done with a proper diet it's the problem they're not differentiate between a healthy diet a standard american diet which is highly inflammatory but i think some of the Paleo community and primal community has picked up on this as don't do any endurance exercise all you need to do is wind sprints and that's it if that I think some people are lost on the exercise portion don't you because there's a lot of confusion with exercise right now yeah and it's it and if you're not following a kind of ketogenic low sugar low carb approach you're gonna actually um you're gonna have problems you're gonna you're gonna start being puffy and if you follow a low-carb ketogenic approach you can actually get results with with with a minimal amount of exercise these people aren't even doing a minimal amount of exercise is the problem and it's no wonder why you know they're not getting any kind of results and I think what what Gary and I are saying here is that follow what we're saying which is a low sugar low carb ketogenic approach mix it with some exercise three to five times a week and if you want to go even into this endurance realm which is you no longer long-distance running and so forth it is ideal you just need to amp up your fat protein content and you're going to have a sustained energy while running I mean yesterday around 45 minutes straight beforehand I had some of our new beef protein and that's it I mean it's just I amped up my protein I had a healthy source of fats from coconut oil and that's it 45 minutes flat straight run and then I then I lifted weights for 15 to 20 minutes afterwards I mean I don't do that all the time but my body has the necessary nutrients in order to run a sustained period in and out of fast speed you know I'm running 67 miles per hour you know I mean that's it's it's a it's a nice nice nice little run there yeah and I'm a big believer in mixing it up I mean you just don't want to do wind sprints and high-intensity interval training three four times a week and that's it I don't get me wrong that's great I do it I implement it but I have one day that I commit to endurance training during the week and that's usually I ride my bikes cuz I can't run because of injuries and so what I do is I ride my bike I've written my bike up to six hours without a meal just water and it's because I'm a fat burn I I don't need to carb load up to a point don't get me wrong I work with athletes two and four super high endurance athletes first ultra marathoners you know triathletes ironmen that's a little different I mean you're gonna have to up your carbs because you need some readily available blood glucose to kind of replenish there's certain times it takes about two two and a half hours for you deplete your glycogen with some pretty moderate to heavy exercise people always talk about oh I just did 15 minutes of lifting I gotta go you know get my glycogen back up and I'm like what probably full you're done you know it takes quite a bit to deplete your glycogen levels so with that yeah it's a yeah that's an important point touched on is what we're saying here is Gary and I through eating carb ketogenic kind of fashion not taking in two min too much sugar or carbohydrates we've become fat burners and you can definitely go a certain distance with that but if you are going beyond you know what two and a half hours there's you would have to adjust your macros accordingly but how many people are actually and you know doing that short of endurance training many not very many and what we're saying is unless you're working out for more than two and a half hours following this ketogenic low sugar low carb kind of paleo template you're going to be in the optimal fat burning zone you don't even have to work out you can really work out in an hour I would say and get insane results you know and um you don't have to you don't have to work out that hard to see the results either your body is just going to start shedding fat because you're burning fat as energy all of a sudden and it's it's just too easy oh it's a big difference I think the the problem that most people do is when they get into health and exercise they instantly categorize themselves as an athlete you know they think there are obviously placing himself like in the Michael Jordan category you go no no no you're not even close to that the professional athletes and people who compete train at a far different level than even me and Heath I mean that you're talking three four times the amount of effort that we're putting in and when you do that you have to offset with some more carbohydrates but you don't want to be doing that in sugars and goos and gatorade and stuff like that what you want to do is you want to do it with food so you know sweet potato you know maybe some starch your carbs that you can get that aren't gonna ruin your Paleo far as grains and you know mess around with rice you can I messed around a little bit here and there with some people who just don't want to give up rice I tried but some of them they'll use it as as an endurance piece but those again those are athletes those are people that are burning huge amounts of calories that is not me and you yeah I know and that's important right there is that when you're I mean I used to play I played soccer for 13 years okay and I was skinny as a rail I he whatever I want and this is the same principle you have some you know there you have a lot of vegans blasting you know paleo people on the way they look well these paleo people are exercising very much but not practicing what they preach these vegans are out there they're actually endurance running they have you they can do whatever they want sure you can have all the bananas you want and you can eat whatever you want I mean the bottom line is if you're if you're an endurance runner you're running long distances and you have the time to do that and the optimal thing there is the time to do that then um you can you can literally eat whatever you want because your body is an inferno it's gonna it's just going to obliterate all the calories you're consuming and but what we're saying is you can have a much better you know foundation for your body to utilize you know healthy fats and proteins and the right the right carbs and have far better success with less inflammation of the joints by following a paleo template and sure you can adjust your macros for those long endurance runs or whatever it is that you're doing because what you're going to have less joint pain you know and for me I used to play basketball also back in the day and I used to have bursitis you know and I was consuming grains and I was consuming rice I'm sure i was skinny but i was having these joint pains i was also really young so when i say i was playing basketball this is back when i was 18 and you know i was eating healthy but I was definitely consuming inflammatory you know sort of grains and I paid the price and I was like I'm young why my highly enjoin panjaa not until I was much older I understand what was actually happening in my body but um there's something to be said about having you know doing crossf
it and not having joint pain afterwards and and avoiding a lot of these injuries can be really upset just by consuming a low sugar look you know an anti-inflammatory diet like the Paleo diet but you just have to adjust your your macros accordingly yeah and you can do normal that you can do some pretty long endurance I mean you can go out there and really pound and not have to carb load and I think that's another part of it is they're going against the carb loading and doing that as opposed to you know looking at it because I'll do it and you know the over consumption of carbs and carb loading again an endurance I i we think people get discouraged from endurance because like said I think people are teaching that primal or paleo that humans were more short bursts of speed you know in that day only in a walking traveling that instead of they wouldn't jog which i think is completely incorrect when you look at the human body we're not geared for speed we're actually pretty slow I've never owned a dog that I could ever catch when it takes off or get anywhere close to it you know yeah um you know we would have to were upright you know in being a bipedal five petal I can't even remember how you say that but you just instead of being on all fours animals have the ability to go faster they're more aerodynamic because they're lower to the ground humans are upright standing straight up so even if we could run and go at a fast pace our aerodynamics are horrible I mean it's like a big mac truck you know trying to go you know 50 miles an hour there's good much more wind resistance than a sports car and you know how would we you know far as prey well we'd have to chase animals in order to eat them and the only way we could do that is we either had to outthink them trap them humph them with the devices for Spears bow and arrows and we didn't have that technology till fairly recently so they've shown that we would you can run run animal for about four or five miles till their internal temperature gets to about 105 degrees and then they got to stop well that's because they don't have the cooling system that humans have we have the most efficient cooling system of all mammals I mean we're geared to be able to go out and heat and survived run jog walk an animal gets to 105 they have to do it through their lungs they have to bring in outside air in order to cool themselves down into their lungs and cool through capillaries and through blood vessels and like dogs in their tongues and so run him down and what they do is they actually will tire an animal it'll just collapse well yeah and understanding how that was a hunting technique there was no Spears nothing involved it was teamwork tues people would run and take you know turns running and chasing animals then someone would fall back and we've lost that I mean most cultures don't do that anymore they found a few that still practice it but it's very uncommon but it makes sense right yeah animals are built like a cheetah cannot it is faster than a rabbit but a rabbit has muscles around it around its waste and around its lungs and diaphragm to where where it can actually bring in oxygen quicker than the cheetah so the cheetah has to be faster than the rabbit in order to catch it to eat it if it has a certain window if it doesn't catch it in that certain window it's over forget it and it's you know you'll watch they'll stop when they chase and I've got you grew up hunting too and I've watched coyotes go chase after rabbits and stuff even my dog and they'll chase them for a little bit but if they can't get to a certain point they stopped because they know they can't catch it that that animal is faster than they are and that they can't continue to pursue it so that's was a long-winded explanation but understanding endurance that humans are geared for that I mean our sweat is you know it has salt in it sodium well that is based upon making it sticky so if we just you know if all we did was excrete pure water it would roll right off our bodies because the oil well with the sodium in the salt what it does is it makes it sticky tacky to our whole bodies become like cooling machines so it's pretty interesting to see that so I'd never discourage people against doing any endurance like said one day a week I focus in on endurance I go out for a couple hours at least well I think you know the endurance comes into play and you'll start feeling like you can go work out for longer periods of time when your hormones get adjusted when your diet is in place you know essentially i'm especially you know after the age of 30 our testosterone starts to decline or if you're if you're carrying extra weight your estrogen levels could be peak you're not going to feel like any sort of endurance and you're going to be dealing with all sorts of inflammation of the joints so by following a low carb low sugar in our ketogenic approach keeping your blood sugar and check me not consuming too much sugar in a given meal you can have sustained energy you're not going to have the inflammation the fat will start disappearing because you're burning it as energy and you're going to feel like going longer distances and you can adjust your diet accordingly if you're going to be expending more calories you can take in more calories it's a very simple process and you know it at first you're not going to feel like it and you know optimally you know when you're first starting out really try to target like 20 minutes of cardio be in the optimal fat burning zone you know do 28 30 minutes of weights and you're going to see great results when only in combination with getting your diet and check if you don't fix your diet you won't see the results bottom line yeah there's guys I've seen at the gym year after year and I'm just like wow like what it were they doing we're actually what are they not doing I mean they're not they're not fixing their diets what they're doing it's very simple it's like they're working out hard through their way longer than I am and if they don't get the results and it's it's because of diet I mean you can do all the p90x you want to but if you don't adjust your diet then you're not going to see you're not going to see this kind of results those people and those before and after pictures they change their diet yeah exactly or they exercise to death for like 60 days or 90 days and then you want to see their photo today and it's probably much different than it was because then their body adapts they burn out but yeah I mean I think with endurance what it is tues I just don't like to cut anything out and say it's no good I mean especially luck said the way the human body is built I mean it doesn't mean you go out and do endurance every single day but it also doesn't mean that there are people that don't and are totally healthy they have the right diet you know it's different for everyone but even those people who do endurance the the guys who are at the top though men and women who are at the top of their sports they mix it up it's they just don't do endurance all the time they do sprints thank you resistance training then they have their endurance training you know they mix it all together and no matter what you're doing what what sport you're in whether it's soccer basketball baseball ultramarathon e you want 20 at the top at the field will always mix it up it's always a variety and I well I like endurance training too is you know what it is now it's a great way to clear your mind that's what i use my rides for I you know Friday today is my bike ride day you know i love my bike ride day it's the day where I get to go out forget about everything quietness I go on trails where no one is at so i can be alone and i sit and i just either i either think about things and come up with things ideas or i actually zon
e out that's what I do well I think there's something to be said here I don't think you've ever seen a long-distance runner that's overweight that does not exist and there's a reason because they're burning more calories and they're taking in and they're bought their their optimal fat burners they can go the long distance guess what they can eat whatever pretty much whatever they want and they're going to shut it right off and that just goes back to proving you know if you're over consuming too many calories your body is going to store it is fat if you're burning you know taking more calories and your body's burning it's going to get stored so take up running it rings tough it is it's really tough in the beginning but your body adjust and as you lean down and you shed the extra weight your body you will naturally get more endurance but it's got to be coupled with with a diet and running I it's one of the most challenging things for me I love it but you have to be in the right mood you can't have any inflammation you got to have a clear head I guess some of the best ideas after run you've got a great amount of endorphins pumping right after you workout running is amazing and it sure it's tough on your joints and stuff like that but if you're eating the anti-inflammatory diet guess what you're not gonna have those issues well that's the thing you know everyone talks about you know how running is bad for you it's bad for your joints and you know well if that was true then all animals would be hobbled around with tendonitis and you know bad sprained ankles and swollen knees and it's the diet yeah you don't see animals in nature with those issues even though nature obviously takes care of its own through its own ways for week but but that's the thing it's our diet that's killing us and you watch runners and who have been doing it and they've got their diet all squared away they're now finding that remember it used to be what 27 was like the peak for a long distance runner and then by 30 they were toast done well they found in other cultures that do endurance training and that do run and then they play games that involve endurance training that the better runners are in their 40s 50s and some in 60s because what happens is it is they've maintained their body yeah you know through proper diet they're eating their traditional cultural diet so I know my endurance is far better than it was when I was nineteen twenty it's far better and you know I'm in my 40s well it's because I changed my diet and now it's you know I don't have all the inflammation I wouldn't have to take I remember taken got three four days off because I just hurt just ate you know and it was like yeah this mean I think there's something to be said when LeBron dreams who's already professional athlete athlete and is dominating decides to go what on a 67 day you know no sugar no carb kind of paleo diet he shuts the way he's lean in his life he feels great and he's guess what he's gonna dominate it and you know whether he's going to continue that he'll probably you know drop in and out of going that extreme but you know what he knew that that's what it was going to take to keep him at the top of his game I mean he's one of the top players and there's a readers there's so much so much there's such an advantage to being lean and light and the thing is is to be lean in life but very strong look at Bruce Lee this guy is oh I would he's just shredded he's very light but extremely strong and you can be that way when your hormones are at peak performance if you have a low estrogen level your testosterone level is high and you've shed your body weight by eating proper diet or doing the amount of cardio to shed the weight you all of a sudden become very strong and you know if you can't get your testosterone level up and you've lost the weight cool there's great natural supplements to be able to do that and and and if your hormone levels are high with testosterone you're going to get that natural endurance and drive and not only your workout but in all areas of your life yeah and I wonder if that's part of it to you brought up a really good point and Bruce Lee's was amazing I mean just amazing I guarantee wasn't eating paleo muffins and quest bars all day um that's another topic for another time but you know he had it he had to have his diet in check you do not look that way you cannot perform at the level he did by eating garbage you know but I think that's part of the point you bring up is I think possibly that the the kind of group that's against endurance training and part of that is they're not following the proper diet so that the endurance is really difficult for him you know because it does to do endurance training you have to feel good I know you did it I did endurance training not feeling good and it was misery I don't hate it it I'd have to psych myself up to go for my runs and get out there I'll earlier to have put myself in a totally different frame of mind yeah go out there now when I look at endurance training it's a totally different mindset I actually look forward to it you know cuz I know it's not it's gonna be painful but that's anything in life a challenge but it's not going to be excruciating to where I want to die before I even started it yeah I mean it's it's interesting because it really does come naturally but your if your diets on point and most importantly your digestion is a huge thing if you're not over a civic and your you really need to keep our proper balance within your stomach and your body's digesting your food well meaning that it's it's really getting the full value of the food you're consuming then all of a sudden everything else falls into place you will naturally have that ability to go longer in terms of in running or whatever it is that you're doing and digestion such a huge thing because as we age like if you drink you're drinking you're killing the enzymes in your stomach you really are killing good healthy gut flora you know take a good probiotic take digestive enzymes you know if you're having problems with acid there's so many great things you can do just go really green in your diet consume more broccoli kelp spinach I mean all that stuff that you know you don't want to eat you should be eating and you know what you just do it throw it in a Vitamix blend it up throw some lemon or are you make it taste good I mean Vitamix is great it's way better than a juicer because I'm juicing you have all this leftover like stuff that smells from the vegetables if you throw it in like a mixer guess what you don't have any of that it liquefies you drink the entire thing you're getting way more fiber way more nutrition or whatever mixture you want to use doesn't have to be Vitamix but yeah you know the thing is it's out there you know and just if you're if you don't want to eat something that's probably the thing you should be eating yeah matter of fact that you bring up a good point is we probably should talk about juicing sometimes soon because there's a lot of misconceptions on juicing and it's a big MLM / marketing ploy jus scenes been around forever just exhibitor sees a pain juicing is a huge pain and I'm actually gonna start probably bio Vitamix and start juicing more myself I typically eat a lot of greens anyways I try to eat a lot of solid so but that's in route so important you know you've got to keep your your acidity level low in your stomach and guess what it's going to allow you the extra endurance in the gym it does yes so important and you're going to have more energy to if you're overly acidic you're going to be you're going to have inflammation you're going to be dealing with all these other issues but we'll save that fo
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Cooking for the Paleo Diet

welcome and thank you for joining us you're listening to the beyond 50 radio program I'm Daniel Davis as you remember our program previously we were talking about something simply known as the Paleo diet taco an Oregon get us of her book primal body primal mind and having the discussion about what the light diet really is for humankind after all our ancestry stretches back thousands even ten thousands of years and we seem to be able to be confused about what it is we're supposed to do to have optimal health well since we've presented you with a way that we can take a look at living when it comes to diet we decided to take it one step further and bring you primal cuisine and why not bring you the obvious to fit the Paleo diet into one lifestyle and actually become creative with it as well I'd like to join you with the beyond 50 radio program today with our special guest Polly Halstead is going to be talking about how we can cook for the Paleo diet with her book primal cuisine Paulie thank you for joining us here on the beyond 50 radio program thank you glad to be here now it's exciting stuff we had a lot of fun with this uh this segment here when we did it earlier last year and you know and it was so true what we were bringing up about why does this have to diet be in the same realm as religion and politics it just makes no sense I don't know that's how we feel about everything we're very religious about the food we eat but you know the funny thing is to like what you point out in your book primal cuisine is this is that we will find let's say a particular way that we believe is the way that we're supposed to be eating or dieting whatever the cases and then we'll get all this evidence behind us to prove that we're right isn't that interesting how that works yeah I mentioned that it sort of been my in my book is it our beliefs about that what we're eating it make it good for us or is it something else you know and I do believe that your mind or your decision-making process have something to do it with the way you are feeling but I also think or know that we evolved eating certain foods that's why you and I are having this conversation right now we wouldn't have the ability to speak with our large brains if it wasn't for a consumption of omega-3 fatty acids that and that separates us from other primates who primarily a plant-based diet and their brains are composed of omega-6 fatty acids so we need the omega-3 now what are the Omega threes usually come from since we're just on that subject here for a minute okay we all know that salmon has a lot of omega-3 fatty acids and in the in the sea fish eat plant plant material and the plant and both grasses and sea plants convert through photosynthesis they convert their material into omega-3 fatty acids ruminants such as cows and sheep they eat the grass and their meat and fat absorbed the omega-3 fatty acids from the grass so that happens in the sea with the fifth you know the big fish eat the little fish and so on and the biggest biomass in in on earth is krill and it's very high in omega-3 fatty acids so whales eat krill and if we need to supplement with Omega threes i recommend krill oil because it's really low on the sea food chain and doesn't have mercury in it mm-hmm I know that seems to be one of those big problems that we face today especially when it comes to trying to go after the Omega threes the essential fish oils and so forth well geez now we're running in mercure bill but as you're saying here while the lower on the food chain especially when it comes to seafood or fish yeah you're probably going to avoid some of these things unfortunately mercury is raining down on us because we still are burning coal yeah but you know we do not live in a pristine environment that our ancestors did this is one of our problems but getting back to the omega-3 fatty acids and and meat when when we begin to feed our farm animals grains just that alone changes their meat and fat to omega-6 fatty acids so we are eating more omega-6 fatty acids these days than ever before and and and we're very depleted in omega-3s that's why I think we're having a lot of brain problems mm-hmm you know and everybody wonders well why are we having some many brain problems now autism is on the rides and all these other things well one of the things is were deficient in omega-3 i know i just recently Paulie had watched a documentary on corn itself and you know it's obvious now corn is not only a genetically modified food but that it's produced and mask to such a degree that it's more than just a food I mean it goes into seemingly thousands of different things including toys Wow yeah corn corn oil all that stuff genetically modified and the other biggie then is sweet I don't know whether you've read wheat Billy yet but genetically modified wheat it's probably causing a lot of diabetes and obesity issues and brain problems so we know that with processed foods genetically modified wheat and high fructose corn syrup go into these products so I wouldn't highly recommend you not buy prepackaged which is not a real hard thing to avoid because for me you know Polly when I have supermarket I hit the outside I just don't even go down the middle you know that's just how it is and I think I picked up my habit you know my mother was the same way where she shopped pretty much for food every night yeah that's just how she was and you know there were some things that were frozen but very rarely did we have packaged food and pre processed food in the house even growing up yeah and a lot of times people go that direction uh for two reasons a because it's cheaper or so it seems but that it's easier and that to me is one of the saddest things and that's what I love about your book primal cuisine because it puts the love in the heart backward belongs in the kitchen being created and it just astounds me that people don't participate and you know you can make a great meal anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes tops I mean a lot of things I mean of the things yeah dinner doesn't take me longer than a half an hour all right and I enjoy it it was a part of the day it's almost like a meditation I love but you said that Polly because of exactly how I feel people have to approach it like it's something they enjoy and not something that you have to do you know and and well at any rate I believe that attitude to it's beneficial for your home a whole body you know I've just reminded and I love bringing this one up Alan Watts late philosopher the 20th century somewhat responsible for bringing Zen Buddhism to the west I was reading a lot of his kind of works and he had written an essay called murder in the kitchen and his contention was is that we tend to raise process cook and eat our food as though we hated it and you take a look at the condition especially of Western society boy he wasn't too far off the mark on that one yeah a lot of people you know seafood is the enemy right so I feted I gotta cook let's just run through a fast food joint yeah well for one thing I would i was living in Hood River when I wrote my first cookbook and I met Nora good gowda's right after she published her book primal body primal mind and I became a client of her she she was the one that got me started on that cured me of hypoglycemia lifelong addiction to sugar all kinds of other you know like depression problems and because as I mentioned it in a book my mother was schizophrenic so you know the brain problem is very much connected to what you're eating and I make a big point of that in the book that was a really good connection there with her mm-hmm yeah because you're looking at a career that you've had as a chef you know it's almost 40 years and so you took a hold of this material and one of the things that you talked about too is that when people take a look at particular diets that are allegedly supposed to be good for them they start grimacing grunting and rimming and then the whole bit thinking my goodness this is going to be painful for me and believe it or not Polly there was a point where a long time ago when the low carb no carb diet was out that I was actually serving in a restaurant and there was this guy that comes in for lunch and he sits down and he's looking at the menu as though it's just painful for him and this was a seafood restaurant and I'm looking and the first thing I thought is I'll bet you this guy is on one of those no carb diets I could just tell and I said let me guess you're on a no-carb diet it goes how could he does because you're looking at the menu like it's painful to choose and so let me go ahead and make some suggestions for you because I understood you know pretty much what it was and he says okay and so I did and he goes I could really have that Mike well you're the one that's on this diet you should know what you can't get out but yeah pretty much you can have what I'm telling you to have here and he just flipped out and went through the week he was like my goodness I didn't realize it could be this enjoyable that's just it is it's funny how we lock it in stone and we caused misery to ourselves exactly and once you're doing this I you know you can you can order in restaurants I have them take the carb off the plate and add extra salad or vegetables here happy to do that mm-hmm you can still go out to eat now let's talk about the Paleo diet or those primal cuisine cookbook and how you can to create what I love first of all is that you get people back into the basics you know first the basic tools that you should have for the kitchen I am a total agreement of that because most of the time people don't cook well just because you don't have the right tools you really need to have those well it makes it easier and a mix it up Pleasure I have a good set of stainless steel pots and pans I only use one or two knives normally you don't need a host at in either get that nine hundred dollar set up for sioners when you're using one or two tops yeah and ceramic and I'm felt lately are pretty sharp there and good they're a little expensive but honestly you need a good pairing knife in a good little chef not nice minus about seven inches long and I use it all the time mm-hmm and that that's pretty much about it unless I use a slicer or something what else I have a food processor in a blender that I use consistently but I don't have a whole lot of equipment and actually this way of cooking is a little more simplified so you don't need a ton of equipment yeah because what I did notice in a fair amount of your recipes is they kind of approach and Bora wine on the law side yeah I'm not a total raw food person but I try to mix both raw and cooked vegetables during the day I think Oh people have to pay attention to their digestion right other people can't hand so lots and lots of raw food so you have to kind of go with what that feels like but I would say the way I did my book and the way I eat is a lot more non-starchy vegetables and very small amounts of protein you don't need that much protein to keep going but in our age group I'm now 66 one of the things our age group does have to work out pay attention to is getting enough protein and you only need about 50 to 70 grams of pure protein a day depending on how active you are and it all doesn't have to come from meat and fish it can be some nuts some cheese if you eat cheese or whatever so you can mix it up a little now there was something there that you talk about in the book too so let's go ahead and approach and just sort of recap a little bit of what the Paleo diet contends as far as how we were mentee what we should really be leaning towards because this kind of makes an interesting way for instance vegetarians what you need to remove all animal products but you know take a look at the caves people you know they were dancing around with bows and arrows and Spears and there were animals you know you're not going to say that they just made this stuff up well I don't know whether you've seen that new documentary out in fact it's almost number one on the documentary list these days it's called in search of the perfect human diet by CJ hunt I don't think I have well it's fantastic and he actually shows archaeological evidence and also new forensic evidence that the scientists have really done a you know extensive testing and they know that we primarily eight just meat and the accompanying fats there was very little plant material in the analysis and and also in the archaeological digs mostly they're just finding pure animal bones so I would say it's irrefutable what we were were eating and if we came across maybe some wild grasses or nuts or seeds or berries of course we would eat those but primarily we went after the meat because it's sustaining mm-hmm and it repairs the body and you know the fat they needed to eat for energy and endurance and keeping anyone you know Paulie a funny story a couple of years ago I had someone on the program who was talking about he was a marathon runner and his book was about his first 100 marathons and so this guy traveled around the world running marathons and it was a little bit that you put in here about the Masai people in Africa and this is what reminded me of this story and here's what was buddies was in Africa he says we were at those particular village aneesa's I'll tell you what these people eat their meat I mean these people are hands down meet ears this is what they considered a vegetable chicken well I knew this that I used to cook some time for this Tibetan lama when I lived in the Napa Valley and I'm doing it he only ate meat is all right no vegetable now here's the other thing too we talk or you talk about dairy now you know just like meat how it's been processed in a different direction from its natural state you know the same thing has actually happened with dairy as well and you talked about a particular enzyme or something that was cold like sort of the devil's enzyme that came in it kind of upset the balance of this but one of the things you did talk about is there's a difference let's say in America between how we view cheese and how they do in Europe and here's what's really interesting about that there's a guy who's considered an advertising guru who essentially uh was the one who got grated cheese into a plastic bag and he says the reason is and this is how he came up with this is that in America they tend to look at their food is dead and separate so why not put grated cheese which takes no time to use and a plastic body bag basically you know and it goes into a fridge we're dead things go whereas in Europe as you say in your book she sits on the counter you don't lap it you know but it's that it's there it is so there's a real difference so talk about that a little bit about dairy with that guy catera pie that's the one yeah my boyfriend knows him he's work with him and he mentioned this key thing well it there you know there's a big controversy whether paleo includes cheese's I included it because some people still eat cheese they're not going to stop but I I did point out that you know I talked about raw cheeses raw milk because a lot of people can digest that more easily and I talked about I think the devil in this milk in the devil in the milk which is we have a different genetic strain of cows over here in the United States and people are having problems digesting this particular type of case seen kissing as a protein whereas in some countries in Europe and of course Africa the cows are still a one so those people aren't having the issues with casein so some of the cows in Europe you know they're still making cheeses from those a day one cows so we can digest those more easily you know I don't know a lot of people don't want to delve into all of this and pay that much attention but I did bring it up because some people are lactose intolerant more case being intolerant and so I have made recipe substitutions you know using almond milk or coconut milk for those people who want to stay away from dairy all together and you know Polly I've also decided to to do the very same thing where I actually replaced a regular dairy milk insert and recipes I guess with coconut milk and in most cases if not all of them it seemed to improve it actually I like a really good coconut milk exactly I think you can mix coconut milk and almond milk together if you want or whatever but i do want to point out i use exclusively organic whipping cream and that's all fat it has no casing left in it so if you still like that richness you know in your coffee or tea you can use whipping cream mm-hmm now it's funny because it seemed like you bordered on a little bit of the dangers here what we'll do is we'll go through each of what would be considered the food times had you come out with sort of a special recipe that you like in each of these but the first one I wanted to address her before we do that is this is something for kids of all ages and i didn't realize people go around doing this but Komodo dragons milk to somebody actually melt these creatures yeah you know no I did mostly by the last James Bond movie I wasn't too sure they did something like yeah I think in order to get get kids kind of enthused about any more healthy you have to think of creative names to call it there you go I'll tell you with the younger ones you know Oh mrs. Jenkins mount can I have some a nap for breakfast there you go hey and if you don't make it fun for the kids chances are you're going to have a hard time yeah it gets harder and harder if the kids get older if they're used to eating a certain way try to change it what a teenager is eating there you go I gotta got get dragged him bring him dragging and kicking into the kitchen but Brittany broccoli spears or something you know something like that now let's go ahead and talk about first breakfast go ahead and shoot out a recipe r to give people an idea how you get creative well those frittatas are really really good and everyone who has made I find it oh the baked eggs are real easy real good they're just eggs baked in a ramekin topped with a little cream salt and pepper that's delicious the Japanese scrambled eggs are really fun if you like that kind of oriental flavor because they have some let's see pickled ginger in which makes them kind of an unusual I try to pick recipes that are some unusual and then some standards like huevos rancheros and stuff like that but let's see one of our favorite recipe is the wild mushroom and roasted garlic frittata oh hey like exit you could even serve it for dinner probably but the roasted garlic in there is just fantastic there's a photograph of it in a book by the way I did all the photos photography in the book too may can it tasty for you folks you know and the neat thing too about your recipes is one of the things you talk about that you're seeing sprout up around the country which is very encouraging to note that we're actually taking more responsibility for where food comes from and how its processed is the fact that you're seeing farmers market sprouting up more regularly everywhere a and they're becoming more than just seasonal but you're around but with fresh ingredients boy in Portland sure has a Fed fabulous farmers market oh yeah rollin argument used like I took a lot of photographs there mmhmm yeah a lot of their restaurants especially in Portland Oregon are just that way in fact even the big ones that could be considered chain certain of them actually go and they buy local and organic ingredients which is pretty amazing I think it's fantastic it has to become more of a norm right we head in this direction mm-hmm now how about lunch oh well if you like sausages which we do there's a wonderful warm sausage salad that's tossed with your favorite greens and everything you just kind of saute it all up and put it on a plate and so that makes a great lunch I have tons of solid recipes I love valid the best Caesar salad dressings and many other great salad dressing recipes too and soup recipes and that's what I like is people can come to know how to make these things so you can get away from avoiding two things a of course the processed salad dressings that are in bottles or soup in cans for instance and the fact that since you're making it to order you don't tend to have these things being stored because you've made too much yeah if you have extra put it in a glass door stick it in the freezer for another day I mean that's the nice thing about cooking you can do something and some things in large bat batches so you don't have to keep doing it over and over and use it later mmm yeah because I'll tell you I'm I on that Cobb salad there which looks like it has steak and boy I'll tell you what I'm thinking that would be a good way to go for lunch excellent way to go when I was doing a photography for the book last summer I was making all this stuff and my boyfriend and I then we had to eat it oh geez yep boy the things work can really put you through huh now the other thing too that you include here in the book is a party plates and you know one of the things that stood out there was the grilled prawns rep and pursue the whole my goodness that those are fantastic well you know I used to be a caterer so I did a lot of party food in a lot of hors d'oeuvres and so I wanted to have recipes in in there where people could have a party and keep it low carb you know because a lot of a lot of parties everything comes on a piece of bread or tortilla chips and all this stuff so I tried to show people how they can have a different kind of a party without a card mm-hmm you know what I find to encouraging Polly's that you're starting to see a lot more of these uh sushi places popping up and myself I didn't even really try sushi until probably 2003 for the first time I you know heard about it but just never went into a placement wow this is pretty good but what's encouraging about that is that you're seeing so many young kids and teenage kids showing up at these places more regularly and you know pretty much to me what's encouraging about that of course they steer away from the faster the burger joints and getting more of an idea of having more fresh food and the fact is you'll probably hear an argument sometimes about this well I have to buy processed food this stuff in a box because this is all my kids will eat and I say no that's because it's the choices you're giving and believe me if they get hungry enough they'll eat anything and why not lean them in this direction where they can come to go yuck when it comes to that other stuff it's pre-processed you know and pre-made yeah i mean i think that the real responsibility is the parents to have the good food in the house to encourage healthy eating and just don't bring the bad stuff home they may kick and scream for a while but yeah they get hungry enough they're going to eat that Apple I know my parent my mom proves that right there was always plenty of carrots oranges and apples you know and once in a while that other stuff may make it in but you know it would sit too it wasn't like we would just be ravenous Peggy oh my goodness donuts so we have a ball of raw almonds and walnuts and pecans sitting on the kitchen counter and you know we'll walk by and take a little handful you know or we'll have an apple or a slice of cheddar cheese yeah you know I'm thinking here that for dinner those grass-fed meat loaf with cauliflower mashed potatoes which I kind of like that cauliflower mashed potatoes tell us about that well I'll tell you everybody that I have made the cauliflower mash potatoes for it like them better than regular mashed potatoes and and even if they didn't like cauliflower before you know so we we love it we have we have at least one once a week and then there's also a couple recipes in there you put the raw cauliflower in the food processor and you pulse it several times so it it gets granny kind of like ripe and then you can use it in in your rice dishes so I I think it adds a more interesting flavor and you don't have the carbs mm-hmm there's another one too and I don't know if it fits in with those but it just came to mind was something my mother made was mashed rutabaga or you know rutabaga mashed potatoes if you will yes that sounds really good a veritable even together too yeah exactly the book is primal cuisine our guest today Polly Halstead oh do you have a website people can find out more about this book here absolutely it www primal cruzine.com i also have a primal cuisine facebook page and you can go on the Amazon or Barnes & Noble website they both have the book and use the look inside feature so you can look at the table of contents and some of the text as well very good exciting book glad to have it on my shelf here definitely gonna do some experimenting here and have some more fun I think that's what makes cookbooks enjoyable is that a lot of times what they'll do is take you out of a comfort zone or a pattern you know what that you can kind of get into when you cook and just kind of inspire you to whole new ideas which is exactly what the kitchen is for thank you for being on the program today Polly it was a lot of fun thank you better take you and again for you folks out there if you want to find out more about primal cuisine and you didn't quite get the website be sure to visit us at beyond 50 radio com that is the number 50 we also do have a free weekly update newsletter for you to check out sign up for it it's free as well thank you again for joining us here on the program I've Daniel Davidson remember live your day passed halfway you .

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For Beyond 50's "Natural Healing" talks, listen to an interview with Pauli Halstead. She is back to educate about Primal Cuisine. You'll learn about the dietary theory behind the primal lifestyle. It's step-by-step advice to eliminate unhealthy carbohydrates and optimize protein and healthy fat intake. The food of our ancestors included wild-caught fish, grassfed meats, and organic vegetables, nuts, seeds and berries. They are still the best choice when it comes to improving your physical and mental health. Tune in to Beyond 50 Radio: America's Variety Talk Show that promote the natural, holistic, green and sustainable lifestyle. Visit www.Beyond50Radio.com and sign up for our free E-newsletter.

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