I hey everyone welcome to the fitness podcast where I talk health fitness and exercise with the experts go to the fitness burn calm for notes and resources from Today Show podcast page and be sure to check out the fitness essentials page will list my favorite products please follow me on twitter at night Elmore one and the fitness podcast page on Facebook the show is sponsored by listeners like you support the podcast by using our affiliate banners to shop on amazon audible on it and ultimate sandbag training calm there's no extra charge and it helps me keep this up and running today's episode is brought to you by audible get any audiobook and your first month free when you go to audibletrial.com/preneurcast alada bowl trial calm / the fit pod so today on the fitness podcast we're joined by evan brand who is a former researcher for on it a company that I'm a huge fan of and who is now a full-time podcaster and nutritional therapist you can find them online at not just paleo calm also follow him on twitter at not just paleo paleo spelled p aleo and you say it paleo not pelayo kevin thanks for coming on the show yeah absolutely Nathaniel thanks for having me man so I've given our listeners just a little overview about you so could you take a minute and give us an introduction on yourself who you are what you do and why you do it sure so as you mentioned I was a former researcher at on it I was working over there for the CEO of the company basically helping to work on and improve the science and formulations behind different nutritional supplements things that will help your immune system things that will help your mind your body things like that but I'm no longer doing that and i have now embarked on a journey to basically take my business full time which is to do one-on-one health consults for people so i always try to get people in the door and offer my help by doing 15-minute consults for people because you'd be surprised how many people have questions about health that their doctor is just not going to be able to answer their fitness trainer is not going to be able to answer and their friend their parents i mean there's just it's it's hard to find good answers for how to take your health in the right direction so I'm basically just trying to provide some clarity in a sea of missing for in a sea of misinformation and fad diets and things like that so I'm currently in school to become a nutritional therapy practitioner and that way I can have some credentials to back up the skills that I've gained over the past five years of struggling with my own health and I'm also a currently a certified fitness trainer through on it so i can teach people you know over the phone or skype or in person it's obviously most beneficial in person how to apply unconventional training techniques by using things like maces which are essentially sledgehammers that you can smack against rubber tires and things like that so I try to basically just hone my skills to where I can create an optimal human and all different aspects of life well that's that's really awesome I didn't know that on it offered those sort of classes I'm actually doing kind of the same thing but I'm going through the american college of sports medicine but I mean if I'd known that on it offered certifications like that I definitely would've signed up for that and I think it's really cool how you've um you've decided to take it into your own hands to help people out with their nutrition because like I I know from experience that you can't go to your doctor and you can't rely on other people you know for for advice about your nutrition because sometimes they they just won't know like your doctor he's not really a nutritionist so he can't give you the best advice and and there is a lot of misinformation out there um you know that that doctors are well they're not intentionally spreading it but there's there have been recent advances that they're just not hip to or they're not comfortable presenting as fact am i right oh definitely yeah and you know science is so fast I just now like literally today I just released my new book my second book called stress solutions and i would say probably seventy to eighty percent of the studies that i published in the book that i used for reference were published between 2012 and 2014 and you talked about someone who which I have a lot of friends that are doctors but you know some of them have they've got their schooling done in the late 70s or the 1980s you know so they're still stuck back then and they really just haven't been up on the research and doctors definitely have a role and emergency care in my opinion as far as if you break a leg or something's really wrong with you but that kind of preventative long-term maintenance that I think you and your listeners are trying to achieve that's sort of daily maintenance on your your vehicle that is your body in your mind that stuff takes it takes updated science and that's kind of what I'm here to provide yeah an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and that's really that's really true yeah I didn't realize that actually until my hell sort of collapsed on itself and then now I'm sort of doing all these preventative measures like taking different herbs and supplements and vitamins and learning to meditate and spending time out in nature all these other preventive measures now that I should have been doing in the first place but you know people like myself we wait until we've already burnt out and then we decide that it's time to make a shift in the right direction yeah and I definitely wanted to get into more of this but first let's let's talk about the motivational quote do you have a motivational quote for our listeners something that inspires you something that you've taken meaning from yeah so you were talking to me just a couple minutes ago about this off air and one of my favorite people is Thomas Jefferson one of our founding fathers and I'm going to read this quote a couple times just to make sure it sticks so it's nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude someone say that one more time nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude and for me that's really profound because oftentimes people are afraid of success now whether that's starting a podcast or starting a new business or getting into a new dietary regimen or a new fitness plan we're so fearful of success because we're so comfortable with our routines and the attitude that we put towards all these different things is usually what sets us back there's usually not many roadblocks in our way it's just our mind and once you can get past that in my own experience and my clients experience once we conquer the mind pretty much anything is possible at that point that is absolutely true like when you were saying that it I was thinking about and I realized yes absolutely because this whole podcasting thing is pretty new to me today's our first episode congratulations by the way thank you for being in my first episode and just the whole process of getting this thing started it's it's a kind of scary and it you realize how easy it would be to just not do it and not go through all the steps that you would need to start a podcast in it yeah I really see what you're saying on that definitely yeah and you know once you break the barrier and everything so in my experience success is sort of like a snowball and this is with fitness especially because once you're out of the gym for a while your snowball essentially melts and you're starting back from Ground Zero but once you get your snowball rolling well does use fitness as an example for now and you start increasing your way you're increasing your strength or so you're starting to see some results that ball is already rolling if you skip the gym you're going to feel pretty crappy most the time if you're in a routine and it's going to continue to make you want to go back eventually you start getting some real propulsion under you and it's so easy that you just slide into the gym you're in the middle of another workout and six months ago you you may have been like you would have been blown away at where you are now but now here you are in the middle of a workout six weeks into a new fitness plan and now you're getting results you're strong you're feeling happy you're feeling confident so really just that mental barrier once you get past that I'm serious that's when the limitless potential really comes out that's absolutely true because the times in my life when I've kind of slacked off the gym you you lose momentum is what really is i've struggled to define it but hearing what you just said i think it really is like a snowball you get momentum and once the momentum builds it's easier to keep going but if you lose it it's just the hardest thing ever to get started again you know a snowball can't roll itself you have to you have to be pushed and that push comes from your own motivation and I have a quote actually and it is that inspiration is like showering you should repeat it daily because if you don't you'll become uninspired you'll become demotivated and you'll just be back where you started but if you repeat daily motivating and inspiring yourself it'll be a lot easier to to get where you want to go definitely and it takes time it takes time to do that and to feel that but once you really feel that in your heart and people realize that that's not just a quote that that's profound wisdom you can get some real action I mean for me with my sort of health journey I mean I started out just as a depressed and pretty pretty overall just kind of mopey guy in college I was feeling good at first and then eventually I just slowly slid into depression and I was broke out in acne I have some pictures where I was ripped I had a six-pack I was super strong my shoulders were popping out but I had acne and I was depressed I could barely get out of bed the mornings and so it was a real disconnect between how I looked and how I felt and eventually I discovered that I was getting in my own way I was kind of beating myself up a lot and just never feeling like I was good enough and always putting my happiness one step away well I'm 160 pounds now I'll be happy when I'm 165 this sort of weird goal that didn't really meet anything I'll be happy when I can bench 225 or I'll be happy when I can dead lift their leg press 400 pounds you know so I just always put the carrot in front of my own face and I think up to a certain extent that's good to motivate people to achieve their goals but at a certain point you just have to realize that you have to be content and acknowledge where you've come from you have to celebrate the small wins because if you started out at one hundred and 20 pounds like I did going from 120 to 160 s pretty incredible but I never celebrated that I just continued to push up up up and up and who knows if I ever would have found a stopping point eventually my health sort of derailed and I didn't get up to the 175 180 that I wanted to be but you know it's all a work in progress yeah definitely it sounds to me like you kind of almost had a look it's familiar to me in a way because it reminds me of the sort of like military mindset that we kind of get indoctrinated into when we're when we're in training like you push until you achieve your goal but you there's no really like celebration of the success you've achieved and that's because of you know the mission and there's no time for that but in a personal setting you I think you have to congratulate yourself and let yourself know that what what i'm doing here is working and I should take take some satisfaction because I've succeeded a little bit and you just can't be too hard on yourself mentally I think is the key point here mm-hmm so Evan um there must have been some low point in your life that sort of made you step back and see things differently and ultimately led you down the path that you're on now could you take us through that moment what was going on during that time sure well the clarity doesn't really come at the low moment is what I've discovered a lot of people don't realize that they're in a low moment until they start coming back out of it and once you're in the trenches you feel it but you don't know how low you are until you start really achieving something out of it and so for me just working a third shift job at UPS to pay for college was sort of the the route that led me to destroy my health and people don't realize that your hormones that create what you are as a person they create your moods they create and help build muscle tissue I mean all these different functions of hormones they regulate everything and when you're working a third shift job or you're up many hours and when I say many I mean about anything past about three to four hours after sunset so if you're if the sun's going down at say eight or nine and you're staying up till midnight you're going to be basically throwing off the cycle of these hormones and that's exactly what I was doing and so the acne began to get worse I was not able to gain any more muscle I hit a continual plateau regardless of what I changed up and then eventually my energy level was just started to plummet and obviously no one's designed humans are not designed to work third shift in the middle of the night my shift was about midnight to 5am and I would try to go to bed with the sunrise usually and it's pretty miserable experience and it's actually a carcinogen for anybody that does work third shift type encourage them to get a different job and it's it's not worth it's not worth your time or your money there's no amount of money that could they could make up for something like cancer I mean when you destroy your melatonin production like i did with artificial light you really increase your risk for cancer so i started to research and find out some of this knowledge and it really started to scare me so i quit my job and started to find a new one and i found a day job at the time and i ended up working out in a park working out in nature and spending a lot of time out with the birds and the trees and just basically connecting back to the earth I was so disconnected for so long in a big warehouse and artificial lighting and I really started to feel like a happier person it was strange I was almost like man this is not even me I'm happy now what this is this is crazy and it just sort of continued to blossom that way I found a great girl who is now my wife and the relationship blossom with my job and everything just sort of turned around and it sounds easy and quick now but I mean this is a journey over five years that it took to get to where I am today so it's uh it's not something that happens overnight where anyone listening is I'm not saying I can help you overnight become a brand new person but you know we can certainly try and some people are more motivated than others to change that is pretty terrifying about the artificial light and it messing with your melatonin production and also I totally didn't know about um that thing you said when you say it past three or four hours after the Sun Goes Down I did not know that that messes with your hormones that's that's crazy yeah i mean we're design everything pretty much operates not everything but a lot of hormones operate on sort of a 24 hour cycle obviously if you live in alaska or somewhere very far north or south latitude you're going to have months of pure darkness and so for that i mean it's it's going to be really hard for you to live by that motto but essentially before the advent of electricity which is just a mere blip in time compared to the relative existence of humankind we're not programmed for that we haven't had a time to catch up and get adjusted to electricity we love it as soon as the soon as the Sun Goes Down what do we do we turn our lights on so we have we avoid nighttime and we avoid it like the plague and it's really starting to show its effects and that's kind of why I created my first book that was called grim rehab all about sleep because my sleep was destroyed and you often find the best teachers are the ones that struggled themselves yeah that's that's very important information people definitely don't realize because it's just so normal to us we yeah we have lights everywhere mm-hmm they're just so there's all around us so um what was the kind of the breakthrough a moment that you had that kind of put you on the right track set you on the path you're on today and just just take us through that moment yeah i'm not sure if it was a single moment but rather a combination of moments but i guess one in particular that was pretty fun for me he was a night at UPS that i remember i was just completely fed up and I wasn't taking it anymore the managers they I was sort of very it was very militaristic in the role and it was very careless about human health it was all about getting those boxes out in time and so the managers who had sort of bark orders to get the job done not that people were lazy but they just wanted to just crank crank crank the productivity up and I just got fed up and I'm just say you know what this is a hundred pound box i was on the earache team they call it the irregular packages of the really heavy stuff and I just hit a point where it's like you know what man this isn't worth it I feel like a dog and I'm not going to take any more so I took it up with the manager and we sort of had this pretty long conversation that ended up I guess you would call it an argument to some and most people are so complacent and so docile that no one really speaks up everyone just kind of keeps their head down gets in and gets out because they love that they get free college and that wasn't enough for me to just continue to take that abuse and so eventually by the end of this 30-45 minute conversation with this manager I had all the other team leaders and tons of staff like circled around and it was they were just kind of watching us talk it out like it was some Dateline TV show or something that was kind of funny but but but I've got so many Pat's on the back for weeks after that because there's so much frustration that was never it was never acknowledged and no one ever had any sort of release from all this frustration and I was sort of a I guess a light a light at the end of the tunnel for people and I think that's kind of you were though yeah they didn't have yeah so I think that's kind of like I think that's a pretty a pretty good turning point and that's kind of as my started that's kind of as I started to work my way out of the company did you ever have a I made it moment and by that I mean like a moment where you realize yeah I'm on the right track i'm doing what i want to do this this is it i need to keep doing this you ever do you have a moment like that oh yeah i have moments like that probably every week yeah definitely it's you just have to know when to identify those little moments you know because even just waking up and having blue sky as opposed to a cloudy day you know that could be a winning moment that I would celebrate and that's sort of the little things that kind of keep me going so you have to celebrate and appreciate the little things like you're talking about earlier with your small goals reward yourself be thankful just appreciate the little things right yeah it's hard to do but with practice you'll get better yeah okay so for people who don't really know what the Paleo diet is and what makes it beneficial for four people um just explain what it is and why would help everyone because everybody could benefit from the Paleo diet I firmly believe that yeah so essentially this diets had a lot of weird a lot of weird connotations and a lot of weird stereotypes added to it but essentially the idea is that you're just going to be eating real foods as close to nature as possible so you're actually eating animals that were allowed to roam out in the pasture on open grass and were able to be happy and be in their natural environment as opposed to the 99 other percent of animals in the United States that are confined to warehouses that are miserable i'm sure people have seen the food documentaries it's disgusting you know yeah yeah our food production industries is horrible but luckily there's a lot of farmers and really good people out there they're starting to provide high-quality food so by eating these foods you're providing all the raw materials that are necessary to a make your hormones be make your neurotransmitters the brain chemicals that allow you to feel good emotions depression is not a coincidence in our society either Center for Disease Control says by the year twenty twenty depression will be the number one leading cause of disability and that's not a coincidence obviously there's multiple factors at play but if your diet is lacking the raw materials needed to produce your brain chemicals you're not going to be happy so that's sort of the idea behind the Paleo diet in you're basically trying to eat as much organic food as possible staying away from chemicals and pesticides and not only poison our water and our air but they're poison your body and over time all of these add up to cause cancer all sorts of other diseases and I think people are starting to become more aware but we really really have to speed it up yeah absolutely agree and just to give people some sort of example what would what would be some foods that are not okay to eat when you're on the Paleo diet essentially anything that's been created in the last hundred years so obviously we can argue that foods like bread have been around for thousands of years and they were in the Bible and all of that but the modern breads and pastas and things like that are generally made with genetically modified and hybridized wheat and so what that means is the amount of gluten which is a wheat protein that causes inflammatory responses in the body the levels of gluten are much higher in these foods then they were just a hundred years ago just because of the way we breed them so gluten is sort of what makes breads really fluffy so some of the ancient breads they would have been almost like wafers or like a dense like sort of a dense food but now there is really fluffy and really airy and puffy and things like croissants we're addicted to that stuff and so that's a food that you definitely want to avoid it can cause a condition called leaky gut which is essentially where you have think of look if you look down at your hand and you have all your fingers together there's not much that's going to get through your fingers but if you just sort of give a tiny little gap in your fingers now there's an opening for toxins to pass through and that's what happens to your gut when you have inflammatory foods like sugar breads and pastas caffeine can have an influence and impact on the gut food toxins in general so anything that's a non-organic food some other things sometimes rice is an issue for people I personally organic white rice and don't have a problem with it there's some other categories of foods called nightshades things like peppers tomatoes potatoes those foods can all be irritating to the gut and once you start allowing these food toxins to go into the body you can have things like joint pain aching depression you can have irritable bowel syndrome which I've struggled with for a while you can have the bags under your eyes you could just be generally fatigued and low on energy so there's so many symptoms that people just sort of ignore or make credit to all I'm just tired or oh I'm just getting older and things like that but you really should feel full of energy and you should feel like tackling the day pretty much every day yeah and that kind of I was actually gonna ask you about gluten on the next question but we kind of got into it on this one so that's good and I I completely notice a difference ever since I cut out bread and all those other gluten containing products like I have so much more energy and the biggest thing would would be the acne for me obviously it just made it so bad and it was it was horrible but now that I'm i try to be gluten-free i have more energy my skin's clear and i feel better and yeah i think there's a lot of unfortunately like misinformation and stereotypes out there about gluten and it's kind of like a it's kind of a thing you make fun of it's been in my experience these days and it's kind of a kind of sad because people really do need to know about it yeah did you see the south park episode about Glen I was just gonna bring that up I'll I left but oh man that's a funny episode yeah for people that haven't seen it the rumor starts popping up about gluten in the and the and the rumor is that gluten makes your dick fly off hence and so there in this big school meeting and the head or someone from either Monsanto or the USDA I can't remember yeah so he's in there giving a you know he's sort of a scientific lecture giving a presentation on on gluten and he basically consonant he basically concentrates bread or something and ends up with a little scientific beaker with a drop of like pure gluten in it and he and and and the people were like well if it doesn't do anything then eat it whatever and so the guy puts the drop in his mouth and they're all kind of waiting and nothing happens and after about five seconds you see his pants start moving around and his dick flies off and everybody just starts running in the whole town just breaks out into chaos it's a hilarious episode even if someone's not a cartoon fan I mean just the the whole episode it's it's incredible political political episode yeah and even if you're not even if you don't really experience any negative effects from gluten or so you think you should try cutting it out and see how you feel yeah no one on this planet has a gluten deficiency and I have a friend named dr. Rodney Ford who's a gastroenterologist in New Zealand and he's written several books that he calls gluten zero because he thinks that gluten-free sounds sort of weird and it sounds very kind of childish and that gluten zero really puts across the message that should be that should be known is that there is no acceptable dose I mean even a small amount even a trace exposure and certain people can cause flare-ups even if you don't have something like celiac disease you can still have flare-ups and like you've mentioned even if you don't think you're affected you could try cutting it out and you're going to notice the benefit but yeah I mean it has no nutritional value for anyone we can put it that way yeah and when when you cut it out of your diet if you're a person who thinks oh it doesn't really affect me we'll try it and see how much better you feel because chances are you're probably used to feeling like crap yep it's probably just something you've gotten used to and you think it's normal now because you just don't you just don't know the upside definitely not eating gluten definitely so but yeah I mean just encouraging people to replace when you pull out these foods to replace it with I probably a pound of something green per day so whether it's organic broccoli you can buy that frozen it still retains a lot of nutrients make sure it's organic you can do organic peas there's all sorts of greens you can do leafy greens if you're into that thing you can basically take some some grass fed beef and you can put that on top of a big side of kale and spinach and dark leafy greens and you have a great meal and you'll really feel good after that you're not going to feel bloated you're not going to feel fatigued like you need to take a nap after you eat a meal those are all signs that something you're eating is not sitting right with your body that's more of a food intolerance symptom yeah and another thing about just what to eat if you're thinking about going paleo just separated into lego some sort of protein like some good high-quality protein like a you know meet some sort of good meat veggies dark leafy greens broccoli spinach that's what I eat and then some sort of legume you know beans black beans whatever um you don't need bread you don't need bread and a lot of people ask me when they find out I'm gluten-free and I don't eat bread they they go well what do you eat like it's like it's a food good as yeah like yeah a lot of paleo people and myself are sort of against legumes because of the argument that it can cause like an inflammatory reaction in the gut but certain people can tolerate them and I have a couple a couple different doctors that I've talked to and ask them you know what do they think about beans and legumes in general the strict paleo people are pretty much against them but it's one of those things you just have to test it for yourself but yeah I mean I've also i've created a food guide for free on my website if people just go to not just paleo calm if they sign up for my email letter my email newsletter I have a free food guide there and it kind of goes through what you need to eat and why you need to eat it as opposed to just this weird dogmatic approach don't eat this eat this I'm your boss listen to me kind of thing it's not like that so that's just another free resource for people yeah people definitely check that out and um about this whole bean thing so I'm actually interested in um maybe maybe if I were to stop eating beans what would I then replace that with what would be a good a good replacement for that kind of complex carbohydrates yeah so yeah right so it's it's definitely something that could help with energy but you'd be surprised the amount of energy that you get from quality fats because you have you have nine calories per gram of fat where carbohydrates is something like four calories so I mean just getting more energy from your meats and your grass-fed butter your coconut oil things like that but if you really are someone who's active which it sounds like you and your audience if they're interested in fitness they're going to be active I personally put a lot of my clients on organic white rice and I've had great success with that just because some people could say oh it's a simple carb because it's white butt white rice compared to brown rice is superior because the brown rice has that sort of shell on it and that she'll that husk rather can be sort of irritating to the gut for some people and I can't do brown rice it hurts my stomach so to save my clients trouble I just automatically put them on white rice that's really interesting because I've I've heard and I assume a lot of other people have heard the whole thing where brown rice is better because whatever you know and I write about the you know because it's white you shouldn't eat it that's one of the rules of the slow carb diet by Tim Ferriss that he has in his book before our body he says avoid any kind of white carbohydrate but white rice seems to be it seems to be okay right yeah I'd have to I'd have to just say that that's wrong just in my experience which i don't know how Tim's experience working with people one-on-one but I mean I do quite a bit of health consulting and people prefer brown rice and I find that brown right or I'm sorry people prefer white rice just because the brown rice just upsets people stomach especially if there's somebody who's already having food sensitivities the brown rice could just send them to the bathroom and you can have diarrhea from it now obviously that's not going to affect everybody the same but it's definitely one of those things where people have to experiment with themselves there's no cookie cutter answer it's sort of you have to try and see how you feel see how your digestion is see how your energy is and then just go from there yeah this has given me a lot to think about I think I want to try replacing my beans with rice because honestly rice tastes better than beans that's yeah that's what I feel I don't I'm not I mostly kidney beans and black beans and they just there I don't know you'll probably start having yeah you'll start probably having better digestion as well yeah they definitely cause um digestive discomfort gasps definitely yeah I mean it's hard for your stomach to break those things down you know that's sort of a food of modern agriculture which rises as well but beans just seem to have a lot more trouble with people and is that is that causing the gas is that a is that a sign that you shouldn't be eating is that your body trying to tell you this is unnatural what's that um is that a compensatory mechanism pretty much well I don't know if I would take compensatory but i would say more of a side effect of a food that's not really not really accepted by the system so the system is just it's trying to break you down but it's having trouble and so you may have undigested pieces in your stool and things like that and the body just really isn't capable of digesting it because it's not programmed if you will into the system and like I said some people can do beans fine and they're shouting right now saying I can do beans but if you just look at some of the research there's some compounds in there that throw people stomach off so it's one of those can't hurt might help to pull it out type things yeah I think I might have to make the switch that sounds good so what advice would you give someone who is listening to this podcast that wants to start going paleo but has limited funding they're worried about oh it sounds like one of those diets that's super expensive what would you say to that person I would tell the person that a diagnosis of cancer or a severe health diagnosis is by far one of the number one most popular causes of bankruptcy in the United States you know a bad health diagnosis is something that makes or breaks families every single day and to willingly leave or people could say that they don't have the the finances to not do this but to willingly continue to eat foods that are going to be you know chemically and nutritionally deprived I mean they they have they have chemicals in them the nutritions low the minerals are low to continue to eat that way is it's a real blow to your health and the only thing that you have in life is your health and if you don't have that you don't have anything you can't you can't pursue why if you can't do activities you can't pick it up and play with your kids you know so really your health should be your number one priority and to put that into perspective you can get a pound at the time right now for for about two dollars you can get a pound of organic frozen broccoli I can't think of much of a better deal and you don't have to have in eight ounce or 12-ounce steak every time you eat your body is very adaptable at adjusting and actually prefers less meat than that you can get away with about 4 to 6 ounces six ounces on the higher end depending on the person if they're an athlete or an active young person you can get away with that amount of quality meat by getting some organic grass-fed meats pasture-raised turkeys things like that organic chicken you can get away with that amount and be pretty satisfied and if you if you add in a handful of pistachios or I happen to love walnuts that can be the additional fat and good calories that you need to really keep you full so it's really not that much more expensive and in the long run the saved cost on your visits to the doctor and your long-term health it's not even a comparison yeah I I know I've definitely felt better from from doing it although again I haven't been super strict I've modified it a little bit but just generally doing it it's I mean I definitely noticed that I I'm not as sick you know you get sick from time to time i get i get sick less often i feel better and it just it's probably one of the best lifestyle changes i've ever made that's great yeah and all you're doing is trying to mimic the foods that would have been around before Doritos were invented you know it's not like you're doing something crazy or just eating real food I mean it's simple right and the word paleo correct me if I'm wrong but it comes from Paleolithic which kind of is a reference to back in the day when we were hunter-gatherers is that correct yeah definitely you know the sort of 10,000 10,000 year ago approach before agricultural foods like corn and these beans and grains and all that before those were really sort of put into play there's obviously some wild seeds and things like that out there but we basically took these plants and bred them with other plants to make bigger seeds I mean even things like strawberries this is kind of what hybrid hybridization is berries in the natural world are very very small but you'll find some strawberries as big as the palm of your hand that's sort of a product of what we've done with agriculture and that's the same thing with beans you know and rice they're essentially just little seeds that as you keep breeding them with bigger and bigger ones eventually you get a bean that's you know the size of a nickel yeah and that's also how gluten was created not necessarily with some evil Monsanto guy in a lab but over hundreds of years of naturally genetically modifying it like the biggest the plants with the biggest thieves were bred with the plants with with the second biggest seeds to create you know all spring that had big seeds you know to satisfy our needs and that's kind of like a natural GMO that was going on and that's how gluten came about it is it correct in a way yeah it's more it's more hybridization genetic modification is something a little bit different but it's it's sort of the same in the fact that you're trying to shape the way that a plant is going to grow and you want it to grow bigger you want it to grow faster you want to require less water things like that but yeah some of the ancient grains that would have existed i'm sure they contained trace amounts of gluten but definitely not the high amounts today you know from the modern the modern grains yeah that's that's a huge problem today that a lot of people don't know about mm-hmm so I got one last question so imagine you woke up tomorrow morning and everything was the same except you were 500 pounds knowing everything that you know now all your techniques and ways to get back in shape how would you do that how would you get yourself back on track I would start the morning by eating three organic eggs a couple tablespoons of grass-fed butter a handful of organic broccoli florets and maybe a small handful of walnuts I would start my day out with that i would say sometime in the middle of the day i would try to head to the gym and do some either light exercise like light weight lifting go for a walk or if I felt well obviously 500 pounds going to be pretty hard to sprint but if I could I would try to do some sort of sprinting or int'l interval training to burn that fat and get that get that good fat burn going right yeah and I guess 500 pounds is kind of a excessive amount but I guess basically what I'm trying to illustrate here is a lot of people want to get back in shape and they're just not sure how to start so people like us who kind of know a little bit about it where are our opinions are valuable to them and that's what I think both of us want to do we want to help people definitely yeah I mean that's my that's my whole business if I don't help people succeed then I go out of business so right so if you could recommend one book for listeners what book would it be yeah I would say the edge effect by dr. Eric Braverman it's a book all about your health as far as your brain health your neurotransmitters your brain chemicals it's really important to understand what type of personality you are based off of your current bring chemical production and it's a really great way to understand the inner workings of the mind and the food mood connection someone kind of got geeked out and interested by our discussion today they would really love this book and it's super cheap on amazon probably 10 bucks but the edge effect dr. Eric Braverman you heard them people go and get it Evan this is really fun thank you so much for coming on the show yeah I appreciate it and it's my pleasure you can find Evan online at not just paleo calm follow him on Twitter at not just paleo and again paleo was spelled PA el e 0 2 days episode is brought to you by on it that's ONN IT click the on it banner head on the sidebar at my website to get awesome supplements like alpha brain shroom texsport hemp force protein powder and many others on it also sells workout equipment like kettlebells battle ropes and steel maces everything they sell is designed to optimize your performance on it total human optimization hey everyone thank you for listening go to the fitness burn calm for info and links from today's show follow me on Twitter at Nate Elmore one and like the fitness podcast page on Facebook this show is sponsored by listeners like you support the podcast by using our affiliate banners to do your shopping on Amazon audible on it and ultimate sandbag training calm there's no extra charge and it helps me keep this thing up and running you .
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